![This Moonkin got her feathers in a ruffle recently over this post over at MMO Melting Pot. Since then, they have stopped comments from being added to the post stating:
Hugh HancockJuly 24, 2011 at 2:13 am
OK, I’m closing comments on this one. I think everything useful has been said.
Thanks for all [...]](http://lufitoom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/WoWScrnShot_071511_235512-465x190.jpg "Ganking in Firelands… Making Kids QQ Since 2011")
This Moonkin got her feathers in a ruffle recently over this post over at MMO Melting Pot. Since then, they have stopped comments from being added to the post stating:
Hugh HancockJuly 24, 2011 at 2:13 am
OK, I’m closing comments on this one. I think everything useful has been said.
Thanks for all your opinions. I’ve just spoken to Rebecca about this, and I can say with some confidence the Melting Pot’s stance on this issue won’t be changing.
I have contacted Dan O’Halloran and Chase Christian and asked if they wish to reply – neither of them have accepted as of this writing.
Now I return you to your regularly-scheduled FailPUGs,arty LoTRO events, nerf QQing and excited waiting for Guild Wars 2…
I read this as they were just tired of seeing the majority of the people call them out for being PvElitist crybabies and they were stomping away to pout. They repeatedly confused ganking with griefing and if they had done any research at all, none of what they were whining about this post that was posted at WoW Insider is even considered griefing by Blizzard standards.
One of the comments made by Hugh (which actually was directed at my GM who I don’t think owns anything with resilience on it) really got me thinking:
Hugh HancockJuly 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm
@Matticus – I really can’t see how you can consider someone in full PvP gear tearing apart a clothie in greens with her back to you “defence”. There’s another word for that, and it’s not a nice one.
And whilst you may have the flexible schedule to simply log out and wait for a better time, many people don’t. When you gank, you might be ruining someone’s only chance to relax for the day. That’s actually fairly serious. I’ve seen people close to tears after being repeatedly ganked whilst they’re just trying to have fun. This stuff has actual effects on real people.
First, if you are in greens and doing your dailies there, you are going to be pretty much globaled by the mobs. So, GTFO. Second, if someone is close to tears after being repeatedly killed in a game where you rez moments later, then they should be spending their $15 a month not on a game but on some therapy because that is just not mentally healthy.
I know I might sound mean but I look at ganking and WPvP as an important part of the game. Although I didn’t RP much in events on my old server but I had a back story and I played (and still play) as my character. We are at war. My enemies are near. They must die.
Last night as I realized that I am approaching my 326,000th honorable kill, I sat back and thought about how much I enjoy WPvP. The randomness, the improvisation, the fact that it is always changing and always challenging. I got all reminiscent over the Sunwell Plateau days and I applaud Blizzard for bringing back an area that can be fun and frustrating from both PvP and PvE standpoints.
MMO Melting Pot kept stating that the post at WoW Insider was bad because it was part of “a community”. So, those of us who enjoy and participate in WPvP are not allowed to be part of this community? Wanting them to censor part of the community because it doesn’t go well with their playstyle? Come on now!
What they have done it just motivated me to become even more Bloodthirsty than I already am. I am now showing no mercy when the person I just ganked rezzes and I bomb them again. Sometimes, my friends, being the squeaky wheel gives you more grease than you can handle.
You act like you are some PvP legend. 1, you’re a woman. 2, anyone can get 300k hks. It just takes time… Not skil. LAWL LOLFALL ON EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE ALL DAY, ERR DAY.
L2Play.
If only they had realms where you didn’t have to engage in PvP comb- oh, wait. Nevermind.
I really don’t understand how this one even turned into a thing. I personally don’t care for pvp. I find it frustrating. So I play on a pve server and I don’t run around flagged. I’ve accidentally flagged before and been killed. So I chalk it up to my being dumb and move on. How is this so difficult? No one can be forced into pvp if they’re really keen to avoid it. So yeah. I think everyone crying about that wowinsider article needs to get over it.
I’ve played on PvP servers, and I expect (esp. as a priest with 0 resil) to be ganked and camped repeatedly when I play on one.
I don’t enjoy it, but it’s a PvP server, and I know what I’m signing up for.
I agree with Channi, though. The problem is when this stuff happens on non-PvP servers, and unfortunately it’s easy enough to get someone of the opposite faction flagged or make the game unplayable for them. Jumping on Questgivers and mobs–I had a guy do this for almost an hour when I was trying to do MF dailies a few weeks ago, flagged and followed me around on my RP server to jump up and down on every mob I hit, turtle I tried to pick up, and questgiver I tried to receive or turn-in a quest for… it was completely obnoxious, and NOT what I’ve essentially “signed up” for as a person on a RP-PvE server.
Then there are the jerk rogues that stealth, hoping you’ll get the urge to AoE so they can keep you camped until you log off in frustration.
All of that? It’s to be expected on a PvP server… but it’s unfortunate that it’s so easy to get flagged that the same shit happens for people that didn’t sign up for it on RP or PvE servers. Perhaps if you couldn’t accidentally attack the opposing faction when PvP was turned off (on a RP/PvE server) and had to make a conscious decision to toggle your flag, then people wouldn’t have gotten so bent out of shape about the WI article.
I have to say I haven’t read the original article that started this whole kerfuffle, but my understanding is when things like this happen on a PVE server is the problem. A Flagged Rogue stealthed near mobs that people need to kill can cause someone to flag up unintentionally.
I’m a DK, and I usually run my dailies in Blood for the survivability. Heartstrike is one of my main attacks and that hits multiple targets. Pestillence will also hit multiple targets. Death and Decay, Blood Boil… etc. And If there is a Stealthed Rogue there flagged up, guess what? He just flagged me.
When the Molten front opened up, there were Hordies all over the quest givers flagged up jumping around them just waiting for someone to misclick onto them and accidently flag. I’m sure there were Alliance doing it as well, but for the most part, I saw Hordies doing it on Feathermoon. They’d be attacking mobs that I was attacking just waiting for me to accidently use an AOE attack or something that would flag me up. On an RP-PVE server, that is not cool.
You like PVP, and I respect that. You also run on a PVP server where others have made the same choice. That’s fine, and I can see where you can make your case there. But my point is that this type of behavior on a NON-PVP server actually does impact people negatively. It’s not what they signed up for. It’s not what I Signed up for.
And regardless what doofus up there thinks, that is still a hell of an accomplishment! Congrats on 329K!
Good luck!
More tears for me to enjoy. Win.
If you’re on a PvP server, or even a PvE-server and flagged for PvP and you get ganked – deal with it. You accept the risks of being flagged or rolling on a PvP server.
I love how the first commenter on this post used the term “You’re a woman” as an actual, viable reason why your opinion is invalid.
I never got a chance to comment on the post but here’s how I see it.
I’m not a big pvper, but i’m on a pvp server because of my guildies. If someone attacks me, i’ll fight back. If I lose and we both move on, that’s fine. If someone camps my corpse for hours on end, i’ll log over and do something else, or ask for guildies’ help. Yeah, sometimes it might piss me off. Yeah, sometimes I may rage a little bit, but such is life on a pvp server. This is where my friends are, and I don’t see myself leaving it anytime soon.
Just laugh at it. Chances are it is one of the angry little people from my old server. Still boggles my mind how the rest of the good and nice people tolerate the high concentration of douchebags there.
Having a penis does help you play though. That’s the word on the street.
Here’s the biggest thing. Blizzard gives players what are called “options”. If people don’t want to PvP there are a helluva lot more realms for PvE content only; Pick one of them. Period.
I agree with the others regarding this griefing on PvE severs, but I just wait as a wisp until the time goes away and move along. I’ll soend my 5 minutes making a sandwich, or coffee. Taking a much needed bio break or hugging my cat. Shit happens. Move on. And oh hey, btw, go to a non-PvP servr if you, oh, don’t wanna get killed by the opposing faction.
The misogynist up there is the one whose lol-worthy. Wow. The only thing I don’t agree with you on is the “therapy” comment. Even PvE content can drive me to near-tears. Sometimes they’re happy ones (like killing a new boss) and other times it’s frustration, it doesn’t mean I have mental problems, it just means I’m too vested in a game. It’s not mental illness that causes people to get emotional, it’s the human-nature portion of the player. It’s not abnormal, even if you don’t see it often (or at all).
I’ll put my hand up as someone who voted with their feet … and moved to a PvE server. I leveled up on a PvP server and switched to a PvE server when the free transfer came up at the start of wrath.
But… such a post is not something that I would complain about – I made the change because it just became annoying to come back from being AFK after caring for my newborn to find myself having to do a corpse run – I like being able to afk anywhere.
It still happens on my PvE server that I end up in some conflict – and I enjoy those encounters (was particularly amusing doing the Midsummer Festival achievements… because I ran round in my full resilience gear and won all the encounters that happened). You either kill or die… and get on with it.
I don’t remember the Quel’delath dailies being that obnoxious either being on a PvP server (although I started mine late in the release of BC maybe things had died down a little).